He speaks like somebody who has guts. To him, no argument can dent the
"rightness" of his position on the Presidency of Muhammadu Buhari. Yet,
he tells you he is not confrontational. He claims he has prioritized
governance with a view to putting the welfare of the people first.
Perhaps, this is the reason he was re-elected after staying out of
power for eight years. In this interview in Abuja, Ayo Fayose, Ekiti
State governor, says Buhari is not technically equipped to better the
lot of Nigerians.
He also speaks on the retreat by the National Economic Council (NEC). Excerpts:
On the National Economic Council, NEC, retreat in Abuja It
is a good idea if we do not have the same rhetorics. We all know
where the problem is, where the problem is coming from. The reality is
that we need a change of attitude. That’s what we need. No matter what
you say, the ministers, the governors, some are two-term governors,
some are leaders of this country before, like Chief Audu Ogbeh, they
know where the problem lies and what they need to do to tackle it. The
attitude of everybody must change; from the President to the last man in
government and beyond government. If you want to dispense justice, for
instance, you must dispense it equally. If you want to fight corruption,
you must fight it equitably. If we are talking about restructuring our
economy, the economy is not all about itself. There are other
parameters. If you oppress me, I will not be favourably disposed to the
programmes you are offering me. But the moment the president of the
country becomes everybody’s father, his agenda and the agenda for the
nation will be pushed by all parties and stakeholders.
So we
have had a lot of these things. We have been through such a gathering
(economic retreat) but, at the end of the day, will it not be the same
old rhetorics, same strategies? Is it not a diversionary move to make
Nigerians think you are working on the economy? Meanwhile, this is a
government that was elected almost one year ago, but which doesn’t
know what it is doing, doesn’t know what it wants, doesn’t know why it
got there; maybe it wanted power but not to put Nigeria on the path
of prosperity. So, it is a good idea that we should talk about the
economy of the country, but I think the driver should know the direction
more than the passengers. But he doesn’t know; he is just fishing. He
is fishing for ideas on how to run Nigeria.
With due respect,
people may not like the way I am saying it right now, but they have to
come to terms with reality. You can’t grow more than your pastor. You
can’t grow more than your MD under the same roof. He is limited by old
age. He is limited by academic competence and he is limited by exposure.
If you can’t grow more than your pastor, what do you offer? Meanwhile,
everybody has to look up to the President. So with his APC family,
they ought to have had an economic team, economic master plan for
Nigeria. They would have set the direction.
There are indicators
of an economy. Indicators of an economy will tell you what will happen
next year; will tell you that next year, there will be drop in rain for
farming and that we must build irrigation. It will tell you, there are
going to be issues that could make the economy get gloomy. That is why
we have technology. That is why we have advanced information. That is
why you have specialists. The President is the President. He is not the
Minister for Finance. He is not the technical adviser. I was reading in
the papers where someone said that the ministers of the President are
incompetent or something like that, but I am not condemning them. I am
only saying that the President himself had two months before being
sworn-in. Since he came, the dollar has risen from 200 naira to almost
400 Naira.
I don’t blame him for the drop in oil price, but the
fact is that I blame him for not being proactive to finding solution to
those challenges. Second, we should ask the President why Nigerians are
suffering under him more than ever before. Look at electricity tariff.
In most cases, people will never get supply of electricity; they get
it maybe once a month. Yet, they get what we call estimated bills. The
people are so disenchanted. The people are not happy. There was this
international body that said findings showed that Nigerians are unhappy
more than ever before. Something must be causing all that. If you look
at that last six elections across the federation, APC has not won
and it shows people are saying, ‘Have we not missed the road?’
The
fact remains that when a disease catches up with you, you will not
know until it is about terminating your life. If you look at the
violence greeting our elections now, it will amaze you, it will give you
concern. Even the worst of (former President|) Jonathan, abuse him,
say what you want, but he promised there will be free and fair elections
and he delivered, even against himself. If this was the kind of
violence that greeted Buhari’s election, would he ever be President? No!
Nigerians don’t know party, they know their stomach. They know their
business. They know their economy. Let’s look back and imagine that so
many middle class businesses are gone. Look at me with a daughter
abroad and somebody says my daughter can’t get maintenance money in
dollars anymore. The education of my children has come to a halt after
building such a child to year three in the university. This is an
indicator of incompetence, a clueless administration. Sometimes, APC
people might have clues but the President doesn’t have. He has no clue.
You see these things, people are afraid to say it.
You have been very critical of this administration and the President. Do you have any personal…? Everything
I have said is backed with facts and figures. It is not about being
critical of this administration. I didn’t start today. I started before
the 2015 elections. I told Nigerians not to vote for him (Buhari). I
was a young man of 24, 25 years when Buhari was the Head of State of
this country. The Yoruba man will say, ‘If you have taken a medicine
that works for you, please give me’. We took a medicine which kills.
Anybody that is 40 years old today that voted for Buhari doesn’t know
Buhari because, from 1984 to date, it will be 32 years. So, a guy of
eight years won’t say he knows Buhari clearly. So, add that eight
years to 32 years, that is 40 years, they voted for a man they never
knew. So, if you remove people from the age bracket of 18 – 40 and
remove the votes from Buhari’s votes, you will know that he couldn’t
have won the election. I am not critical of anybody. When APC is talking
about me, they say whatever they want to say but I defeated them in all
elections even when they call it militarization, even when they say
Fayose is controversial; in every battle I will win them. Even when you
have over taken, like after my impeachment, by His grace, they were over
taken again and lambasted by the Supreme Court. There is a difference
between vendetta and the reality on the ground. If I am incompetent,
Ekiti people will not vote for me eight years after.
What chances does PDP have in 2019? What
chances do you have to live till tomorrow? A lot of people blabbing
today, who told them they will be alive at that time? Who is telling our
oppressors that they will be there by tomorrow; that it won’t be me
that will be there by that time? You understand, we have seen so many
things in this country. I am the longest serving Nigerian governor. I
served in Obasanjo’s administration. I served in Jonathan’s and I am
serving in Buhari’s administration now. You see, I am not a small boy
that anyone toys around with. You want to try me with impeachment, they
have done it before. You want to try me with state of emergency, they
have done it before. You want to clamp someone in prison, they have
done it before. I am an experienced man. I am fearless.
The
reason is that greater is He that is in me than he that is in them. And
let me remind you, if they have another person that they will join with
Buhari to get more forces, they will bow to this Force here. I am
telling you the truth. Power doesn’t come from anywhere. God rules in
the affairs of men. Oppressing, bringing and cutting people down,
dropping people, taking their blood on the ground, God is angry. God
isn’t happy. How can you be cutting people down? You go to Rivers and
kill people, you go to Akwa Ibom and kill people, you go to Bayelsa, you
kill people, incarcerate innocent people. God is angry with Buhari. You
can’t continue to take the blood of the innocent. Look at my
predictions for 2016 for Nigeria, everything has come to pass. This is a
different ball game. He that will take me, he that will go against me
must first of all defeat God.
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